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Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« le: 23 janvier 2011, 20:52:54 pm »
Hello everybody.
Im play Austerlitz  on satellite map with historical deployment and orders close to history, but cant crush Russian-Austian army in the centre. I dont know why, watch my replay maybe im do something wrong?

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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #1 le: 26 janvier 2011, 13:42:44 pm »
Result draw? If center is safe is impossible a draw.
With orders of Weyrother and Napoleon?
For me Allied must break through at Tenitz and continue in circumventing,it is too weak the french right .


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Re : Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #2 le: 26 janvier 2011, 15:48:37 pm »
Result draw? If center is safe is impossible a draw.
With orders of Weyrother and Napoleon?
For me Allied must break through at Tenitz and continue in circumventing,it is too weak the french right .




Yes with orders of Weyrother and Napoleon, but Bagration, Kolowrat and Russian guard stay very strong and dont give up. I think in reality the reason of defeat was in very bad command of Coalition Army.
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #3 le: 26 janvier 2011, 16:01:37 pm »
Yes,this is history.
But i am speaking of your simulation,with historical deployment and historical orders.
You have played in solo mode both side? with some problems?
Talking about exactly what problems.
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Re : Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #4 le: 26 janvier 2011, 16:25:44 pm »
Yes,this is history.
But i am speaking of your simulation,with historical deployment and historical orders.
You have played in solo mode both side? with some problems?
Talking about exactly what problems.

Yes of course in solo with command of both sides. Im send 1st, 2nd and 3rd columns to sturm Sokolnitz and Telnitz, Friant and Legran be under attack, and at 10.oo when Kolowrat 4th column go to support 1,2 and 3th columns, i send all main French forces to attack the Pratzen hills, im attack Bagration, Kolowrat, Lechtenstein and Russian gurd, but cant break the centre.
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #5 le: 26 janvier 2011, 16:31:18 pm »
Interesting.
And Sokolnitz and Telnitz not break through for to finish a draw.?
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« Réponse #6 le: 26 janvier 2011, 16:39:36 pm »
Interesting.
And Sokolnitz and Telnitz not break through for to finish a draw.?

Friant and Legran was defeatet and retreat from Sokolnitz and Telnitz
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #7 le: 26 janvier 2011, 16:52:39 pm »
The grand asault and draw:
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #8 le: 26 janvier 2011, 16:55:53 pm »
I thought at some problem of Map or OOB.
Napo had created a great flank attack and great confusion on Pratzen,much better than LG can simulate.
I was curious to know if with break through of Sokolnitz and Telnitz then the allied continue to advance and circumvent Napo, but probabily this was not present in historical orders.
Very good and very interesting Jacquinot.
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Re : Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #9 le: 26 janvier 2011, 17:06:15 pm »
I thought at some problem of Map or OOB.
Napo had created a great flank attack and great confusion on Pratzen,much better than LG can simulate.
I was curious to know if with break through of Sokolnitz and Telnitz then the allied continue to advance and circumvent Napo, but probabily this was not present in historical orders.
Very good and very interesting Jacquinot.

Why not maybe it was possible if Coalition Army have one good commander but not 2 stupid Emperors. :D I think if Kolowrat column go down the hill to Sokolnitz the centre will be crushed.

And i think Bonaparte was a real lucky man, i remembre Marengo if Desaix dont come the battle would be lost.
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #10 le: 26 janvier 2011, 17:29:22 pm »
Yes , at Marengo Napo was very, very lucky.
But Austerlitz was great victory well deserved.
Shows to enemy a weak right for to attack at center , battle well prepared and well performed.
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #11 le: 26 janvier 2011, 18:58:17 pm »
I think last question and then stop.
How many ceh for allied and french have you used for OOB?
And add what is the next battle that do you want simulate with historical deployment and orders?
Please next time upload the files on Histwar depot if is possible,i think for you there is not difference.
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Re : Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #12 le: 26 janvier 2011, 19:44:39 pm »
I think last question and then stop.
How many ceh for allied and french have you used for OOB?
And add what is the next battle that do you want simulate with historical deployment and orders?
Please next time upload the files on Histwar depot if is possible,i think for you there is not difference.

All my save files in depot, im played two battles with historical(close to histori) orders its Borodino and Austerlitz, in Borodino battle i have historical resoult - draw, but French casualtys rate was more than Russian and in Austerlitz i cant get historical result.
And im use original JMMs OOB with my deployment.
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #13 le: 31 janvier 2011, 09:04:55 am »
Hi Jacquinot
I try to start with your initial deployment downloaded by depot.
I want try to make history, maybe with your help and my books (Chandler + Langeron),with only some screenshots of the battle and what can see the Generals with FOW in different placement.
Difficult work , but my intent is to proceed very slowly.
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Re : Austerlitz result draw 1:1
« Réponse #14 le: 31 janvier 2011, 10:09:28 am »
All this only for curiosity.
Setting season spring and Hot and dry (the 2 of december was a beautiful day) and at 6.00 Napoleon can see some troops of Langeron while Alexander can see nothing (only a battery of guns).
Napoleon is put on 39 meters high,a bit back there is also 44 meter relative high.
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