Belgium Campaign 1815

[Frédéric]

look this one, normally according this website the first mount is near the road.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1678021

Here is my interpretation of this picture



On the following, we can see where the hedge of the background is placed

[Alfiere]

Map with slope doubled work so:

Normal calculations with scilab:
example :
highest point of map  130 mt     ,   lowest  50 mt
scilab put at = 0  mt  lowest point and  ricalculations the other points, at the end new highs are
highest point of map  80 mt    , lowest  0 mt

at this point I use a factor from .1 to xxx.
In this case i use 2.(only for experiment)
highest point of map 160 mt    ,    lowest  0 mt   (lowest remain 0 because 0*2=0)

With this method is possible decrease slope in a map very mountainous area or increase slope in a flat area.

I made another test,but now there are not hidden points for french.The flags are visible.
I do not know....
2 pics , i made some roads to see better terrain undulations.View from road of Belle Alliance

[Jacquinot]

Guys, i think the key to know where was GB its Quiot, Marcognet and Donzelot formation to attack, why the use this formation? If they form to attack in ravine infront of Grand battary and was hide from enemy fire, why they dont use tipical french battalion columns or mix formation when central battalions in lines and flang battalions in columns? I know only one reason - they must go trough battary on small corridors and dont have enough time to change formation because battary was close to enemy line, and only one division under Durutte command use tipical battalion columns because Durutte dont go through battary, he go to the right from battary in direction on Papilot.

[Alfiere]

interesting deduction but....
weak points for me.

1)powerfull GB has made no very damage.  why?
2)Difficult to move GB with mud until 500-600 mt from enemy (under fire).
3)Formation in line , is not because low damage under fire english ART and more powerful of shoots when attack to enemy? (30 times powefull of shoots in line rather that in columns)

Probabily Durotte had time to change formation,perhaps not under ART fire.

[Jacquinot]

Im build some profiles in GooglErth
1. English line
2. La He Sainte ridge
3. Ravine

[Jacquinot]

interesting deduction but....
weak points for me.

1)powerfull GB has made no very damage.  why?
2)Difficult to move GB with mud until 500-600 mt from enemy (under fire).
3)Formation in line , is not because low damage under fire english ART and more powerful of shoots when attack to enemy? (30 times powefull of shoots in line rather that in columns)

Probabily Durotte had time to change formation,perhaps not under ART fire.

1) 50 guns its not much number to make big damage, and remember main Welington forces stand behind ridge, infront GB was only Bitlandt small brigade formed in line.
2) What means mud? Come to Russia in March and you know what means real mud after 1m of snow cover is thaw , but Belgium is not Russia and June not March, what kind of mud can be after 1 night of rain? I think fairy tale about mud was invent by Bonapartists to make excuses for lost.
3) But line slow in move.

[Alfiere]

All ideas can be right or wrong.
I do not know.
Make a poll.

Where was french GB  at Waterloo?

[Jacquinot]

All ideas can be right or wrong.
I do not know.
Make a poll.

Where was french GB  at Waterloo?

Yes we need a poll.
Can you creat a poll, please.

[Alfiere]

I am not very able,but can try.

Title :
Where was grand Battery at Waterloo ?

option
1)100 mt more advance little road of Belle Alliance  (900-1000 mt from enemy)
2)(what i can say ?)  500-600 mt from enemy ?   or what ?

other options ?

[Jacquinot]

I am not very able,but can try.

Title :
Where was grand Battery at Waterloo ?

option
1)100 mt more advance little road of Belle Alliance  (900-1000 mt from enemy)
2)(what i can say ?)  500-600 mt from enemy ?   or what ?

other options ?

2) On La He Sainte ridge at 600 - 700m from enemy line.
3) Gran battary its myth.

[bibouba]

they form to attack in ravine infront of Grand battary and was hide from enemy fire

I m pretty sure they were not infront of the GB. They were behind.

There are testimony that the GB stop to fire to let the Infantry pass for the attack.

[Jacquinot]

I m pretty sure they were not infront of the GB. They were behind.

There are testimony that the GB stop to fire to let the Infantry pass for the attack.

Agree.

[thilio]

Agree too..
And don't forget the british heavy cav went rapidly to the battery and make damage before being charge themselves by french cav. In my opinion, an important argument in favor of option 2 (700m near La Haye-Sainte).

[Alfiere]

Agree too..
And don't forget the british heavy cav went rapidly to the battery and make damage before being charge themselves by french cav. In my opinion, an important argument in favor of option 2 (700m near La Haye-Sainte).

Yes is true.This a aspect unclear of the battle.
There was a order of Napo to move them more advance .

[Jacquinot]

Guys i think we need to start next vote - why Marcognet, Quiot and Donzelot use column of battalions formation? What do you think?